A few years ago, close kinetic conflicts, with soldiers killing each other in near proximity, were considered obsolete, at least among militarily advanced nations. It was thought that remotely controlled weapons or hard-knuckle diplomacy could deliver a desired outcome without much blood-spilling, but the conflict in Ukraine has clearly defied that wishful thinking. How is it changing the character of modern warfare? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Alexander Hill, Professor of Military History at the University of Calgary.